Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

storm1051787 said:

Why would Hunter have to explain it's his Dildo at all and Hunter never put the blame on Sterling in the first place for that point to make any sense. The point about Orpehila knowing Brenna's sex toys ad having a random dildo pop up applies to the dildo modeled after sterling's as well. It just randomly popped up for her. Like I said pretty much every single point you can make would be the exact same if you modeled one after Hunter's as well. Hunter never even tried to pin the blame on sterling

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See? You're not getting it.
Step one: Ophelia confiscates all of Brenna's sex toys.
Step two: Sterling's dildo pops up.
Step three: Ophelia scolds Brenna for getting a new dildo, Brenna knows what dildo it is, panics and gives a bad explanation
Step four: Ophelia pushes on Brenna and the truth comes out, painting Brenna and Sterling in a bad light.

Now, obviously, step three never happened, but let's do that again with a dildo shaped as Hunter's dick.
Step three: Ophelia scolds Brenna for getting a new dildo. Brenna has no idea what she's talking about.
Step four: Ophelia goes to Catherine, but she has no idea either.
Step five: Ophelia is weirded out and gets rid of it.
Step six: if it somehow gets out that it's Hunter's dick, he's the pervert.

See how it works?

AVNTester2 said:

Are you seriously mad that Sterling is the MC and not that Corpse Hunter? You want to see Scenes with Hunter there are enough Bad Ends or What ifs. Jesus H F*cking Christ smh

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If you think I'm mad you completely missed the entire conversation. Go back and reread. My argument is that hunters original goal when he came to the house is to seduce tthe family and have Sterling succeed him as Dio sesso so he helped Sterling without Sterling knowing in preperation for this and then started to change his mind and view Sterling as a threat after repeated bad endings. If you havent bothered to actually read the argument don't but in in the first place.

SuddenReal said:

See? You're not getting it.
Step one: Ophelia confiscates all of Brenna's sex toys.
Step two: Sterling's dildo pops up.
Step three: Ophelia scolds Brenna for getting a new dildo, Brenna knows what dildo it is, panics and gives a bad explanation
Step four: Ophelia pushes on Brenna and the truth comes out, painting Brenna and Sterling in a bad light.

Now, obviously, step three never happened, but let's do that again with a dildo shaped as Hunter's dick.
Step three: Ophelia scolds Brenna for getting a new dildo. Brenna has no idea what she's talking about.
Step four: Ophelia goes to Catherine, but she has no idea either.
Step five: Ophelia is weirded out and gets rid of it.
Step six: if it somehow gets out that it's Hunter's dick, he's the pervert.

See how it works?

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The Step 2 part is the issue, there is no reason why the dildo has to be Sterlings yet you keep arguing for some reason totit has to be and that nobody elses plan would work.


Step 3 also doesn't make anysense because Orphelia never scolded Brenna for having a new dildo and Hunter gave her the dildo in secret. If Hunter really wanted to do that he would have given her the dildo out right instead of in secret. Orphelia thought it was a gift from Brenna.


Even if Orphelia did confront Brenna over the dildo she would just say it was Eva's dildo and not hers which would just get eva and that she didn't know what happened to it.






Now lets look at the other Steps for if it's hunter's dildo



Step 3 and step 4 are the same whether it's Hunter's dildo or not. Either way Cathrine has no idea what she's talking about and Brenna either assumes she's talking about Sterling's dildo or doesn't have any idea what she's talking about. There is still the issue that Orphelia would never confront Brenna about it in the first place because it was a gift and not a dildo that randomly appeared.

Step 5 why would Orphelia get rid of it is she didn't even get rid of Sterling's dick? She if she didn't care then, she would have cared if it was modeled after Hunters.


Step 6 why would it get out that it's Hunter's dick? Hunter literally just has to not say anything and it wouldn't get out until after he was already intimae with them.



None of the stuff you suggested happen because the actual set up is completely wrong for it to happen. Hunter wanted Ophelia to use it, that's obvious. He was never trying to expose Sterling for having a dildo modeled after himself. That's why steps 3 4 and 5 all fail because if Hunter actually wanted to get Sterling in trouble he would have given it to Orphelia in a different way instead of it just being a mystery gift and just say he found it in the freezer. Then Orphelia would actually confront Brenna about it. Instead Orpelia literally thinks it's a gift and feels no reason to confront them about it.

While Hunter is pretty clever, I'm not sure he was playing 4D chess here (and trying to incriminate Sterling). He probably just found the dildo and saw an opportunity to help Ophelia become more sexual. She's his most wanted target, and possibly most challenging one, due to how repressed she is.

Most likely Hunter knew (or deduced) the dildo was cloned from Sterling, but was simply amused by the idea of Ophelia using it. It was also brand new, which was convenient for Hunter because Ophelia may have been less willing to try a "used" one.

I'll go back and check later, but refresh my memory... where and how did Ophelia find the clone dildo? Was it just left in her room? Did it still have the box?

Mr. Chatty said:

Seems like Rebecca didn't get any scenes in the previous update and she isn't getting any scenes in this update either (With MC).
I liked her model.

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She did get 2 sex scenes in the pool area in Ch12

storm1051787 said:

Step 3 also doesn't make anysense because Orphelia never scolded Brenna for having a new dildo and Hunter gave her the dildo in secret. If Hunter really wanted to do that he would have given her the dildo out right instead of in secret. Orphelia thought it was a gift from Brenna.

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Yes, Ophelia never scolded Brenna. That's why I said this is where the plan fell through. I did say that. Also, if Hunter would give a dildo to his daughter, claiming it was from his granddaughter, first question wouldn't be "where does it come from" but "why is he snooping in his granddaughter's room".

storm1051787 said:

There is still the issue that Orphelia would never confront Brenna about it in the first place because it was a gift and not a dildo that randomly appeared.

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Hang on... First you say Ophelia THOUGHT it was a gift and now you SAY it was a gift. Which is it? Because nuance matters. And in this case, the nuance is that it is indeed a dildo that randomly appeared but that Ophelia assumed was a gift from Brenna. But if she hadn't assumed that, but that it was Brenna going after her back and getting a new sextoy (after being told she wasn't allowed to), Brenna would have gotten into trouble.

storm1051787 said:

Step 5 why would Orphelia get rid of it is she didn't even get rid of Sterling's dick? She if she didn't care then, she would have cared if it was modeled after Hunters.

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Because of the original plan. Ophelia not getting rid of Sterling's dick wasn't part of the original plan.

storm1051787 said:

Hunter wanted Ophelia to use it, that's obvious.

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Is it? Because we didn't find out that Hunter was responsible for it until WWG told us. And even then, he only told us that Hunter was the one who gave it to her, not what his intentions were. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but it's all speculation. Speculation is not truth. Nothing is obvious. I played Vampire, a LARP with a lot of socio-political elements. I once did a play I believed was very obvious and it didn't work because nobody was paying attention. Some plans don't work out because the people involved don't get it. I believe that's what happened here. Hunter tried to implicate Sterling, but it didn't work because Ophelia didn't respond as Hunter anticipated.

Mr. Chatty said:

Seems like Rebecca didn't get any scenes in the previous update and she isn't getting any scenes in this update either (With MC).
I liked her model.

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She has one scene in chapter 11 and another one in chapter 12.

Fayn Arawn said:

While Hunter is pretty clever, I'm not sure he was playing 4D chess here (and trying to incriminate Sterling). He probably just found the dildo and saw an opportunity to help Ophelia become more sexual. She's his most wanted target, and possibly most challenging one, due to how repressed she is.

Most likely Hunter knew (or deduced) the dildo was cloned from Sterling, but was simply amused by the idea of Ophelia using it. It was also brand new, which was convenient for Hunter because Ophelia may have been less willing to try a "used" one.

I'll go back and check later, but refresh my memory... where and how did Ophelia find the clone dildo? Was it just left in her room? Did it still have the box?

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It just appeared in her bedroom and she thought it was a gift from Brenna

SuddenReal said:

Yes, Ophelia never scolded Brenna. That's why I said this is where the plan fell through. I did say that. Also, if Hunter would give a dildo to his daughter, claiming it was from his granddaughter, first question wouldn't be "where does it come from" but "why is he snooping in his granddaughter's room".

Hang on... First you say Ophelia THOUGHT it was a gift and now you SAY it was a gift. Which is it? Because nuance matters. And in this case, the nuance is that it is indeed a dildo that randomly appeared but that Ophelia assumed was a gift from Brenna. But if she hadn't assumed that, but that it was Brenna going after her back and getting a new sextoy (after being told she wasn't allowed to), Brenna would have gotten into trouble.

Because of the original plan. Ophelia not getting rid of Sterling's dick wasn't part of the original plan.

Is it? Because we didn't find out that Hunter was responsible for it until WWG told us. And even then, he only told us that Hunter was the one who gave it to her, not what his intentions were. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but it's all speculation. Speculation is not truth. Nothing is obvious. I played Vampire, a LARP with a lot of socio-political elements. I once did a play I believed was very obvious and it didn't work because nobody was paying attention. Some plans don't work out because the people involved don't get it. I believe that's what happened here. Hunter tried to implicate Sterling, but it didn't work because Ophelia didn't respond as Hunter anticipated.

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Again the idea that the plan involved one of them getting scolded at all makes no sense as Hunter could have just given it to Orphelia saying he thought it was her and that she found it, or leave Orphelia to find it her self instead of it magically popping up. It also doesnt make any sense because even if Orphelia did confront them all the blame would just fall on Eva which Hunter would be aware of being he's spying on them. Also there was no snooping in his granddaughters room. The dildo was in the freezer when it went missing brecause once more it was eva's dildo she had modled after Sterling and not Brenna. All Hunter has to say is that he found it in the freezer because that's acutally what happened. No reason to try to claim it's Brennas he can just say he thought it was Orphelia's and that she might not want to put them in a place so open.


And no the nuance of whether Orphelia thought it was a gift or whether it was a gift doesn't matter because it was Hunter who pretented it anonymously in a way for Orpehlia to conclude it was a gift. That was a purseful thing because it was clear he wanted Orphelia to use it. If he didn't want her to think it wa sa gift he would have given it to her differently. And if Hunter wanted Orphelia to get rid of it, again why did he just give it to her outright and say he found it in the freezer? Why give it to her annoynmously if he didnt want her to use it? You need to go back and replay the chapters because you dont even seem to remember how Orphelia got the dildo or how it went missing.

storm1051787 said:

You need to go back and replay the chapters because you dont even seem to remember how Orphelia got the dildo or how it went missing.

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I know how it went missing and how she got the dildo. It disappeared from the freezer and it somehow got in Ophelia's possession. That's it. That's all we know.

And throwing Eva under the buss doesn't work, since that will mean Brenna won't be allowed to see Eva anymore because she uses her best friend to get out of the "no sex toys" ban.

And might I remind you, the whole point of the game is to stop Hunter's plans? If Hunter straight came out and say he found it, we'd know that he's behind it! We don't know Hunter's plans, so we have a harder time stopping them! That's how the game works! No villain straight up tells you his moves ahead of time!

SuddenReal said:

No villain straight up tells you his moves ahead of time!

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Just Imagine the Joker would tell Batman "Oh by the way I'm planning to blow up that Hospital in XX Street at 1pm tomorrow just so you know." that wouldn't be so good right

AVNTester2 said:

Just Imagine the Joker would tell Batman "Oh by the way I'm planning to blow up that Hospital in XX Street at 1pm tomorrow just so you know." that wouldn't be so good right

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All the villains are shocked reading discussion here

SuddenReal said:

I know how it went missing and how she got the dildo. It disappeared from the freezer and it somehow got in Ophelia's possession. That's it. That's all we know.

And throwing Eva under the buss doesn't work, since that will mean Brenna won't be allowed to see Eva anymore because she uses her best friend to get out of the "no sex toys" ban.

And might I remind you, the whole point of the game is to stop Hunter's plans? If Hunter straight came out and say he found it, we'd know that he's behind it! We don't know Hunter's plans, so we have a harder time stopping them! That's how the game works! No villain straight up tells you his moves ahead of time!

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I'm not saying Hunter would throw Eva under the bus. I'm saying if Orphelia did ever confront literally anyone about the dildo all the blame would fall on Eva because Brenna would say that it was Eva's missing dildo and Sterling would say it's Eva's missing dildo. Even if Brenna claims it's her dildo how would that get Sterling in trouble? That's why the whole incrimination plan idea doesn't make any sense at all. There are way to many holes in your logic and everything you mention involves the characters acting like idiots.


And no you don't have to remind me, but you seem to have forgotten that everyone just thinks that Hunter is a harmless old man. Saying he found it in the freezer would not incriminate him in anyway because the entire house has access to the freezer. Sterling would have to somehow prove that Hunter has an ulterior motive instead of just having found a loss item in the kitchen.

The scene with the dildo says that the dildo ended up on Ophelia's dresser with a note from "Brenna" asking for amnesty because she felt guilty for buying it and betraying Ophelia's trust, saying in the note as well to throw it out and never mention it.

storm1051787 said:

I'm not saying Hunter would throw Eva under the bus.

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I'm not saying that either. I never mentioned Hunter and Eva in the same sentence.

storm1051787 said:

I'm saying if Orphelia did ever confront literally anyone about the dildo all the blame would fall on Eva because Brenna would say that it was Eva's missing dildo and Sterling would say it's Eva's missing dildo.

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And that's Brenna throwing Eva under the bus.

SuddenReal said:

I'm not saying that either. I never mentioned Hunter and Eva in the same sentence.

And that's Brenna throwing Eva under the bus.

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Yes and I'm saying if Ophelia ever confronted anyone either Brenna would take the blame or Eva gets in trouble. There is no scenario in which Sterling gets punished for it unless Ophelia just decides to punish both siblings. If Hunter really wanted to indiscriminate Sterling there are easier and smarter ways to make that happen, but it's clear that Hunter wanted Ophelia to use the dildo.

I had forgotten but Hunter actually stole the dildo from Brenna, not from the refrigerator. Brenna had taken it and used it, and later was frantically searching for it (after Hunter presumably stole it).

Now I'm wondering, did Ophelia leave the dildo under her pillow by accident, or did Hunter take it out of Ophelia's dresser and leave it for Sterling to find the next time he was in her bed?

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john984 said:

Where can I get that wallpaper!?

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Getting back to this for a second, considering the fact that it's not on Patreon anymore and can't be put on the Patreons discord, wouldn't it be advisable to go back to the most ancient and most noble purpose of piracy as Data Conservation harkening back since time immemorial and release that Wallpaper here in order to prevent it from becoming "Lost Media" one day?

FoolishFool0 said:

Getting back to this for a second, considering the fact that it's not on Patreon anymore and can't be put on the Patreons discord, wouldn't it be advisable to go back to the most ancient and most noble purpose of piracy as Data Conservation harkening back since time immemorial and release that Wallpaper here in order to prevent it from becoming "Lost Media" one day?

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Since when is What? Why? Games no longer on Patreon?

cvjoint said:

Since when is What? Why? Games no longer on Patreon?

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I think they meant the wallpaper isn't on Patreon anymore and probably can't be on patreon or the discord because of censorship